the fbi is going to do their seventh check. it's going on now by the president, who tweeted that out. seventh check. the fbi, there's no forensics they can check. i hate to admit i watch "forensic files" a lot. it's amazing 35 years later they find people because of new technology we have that we can catch killers. there's no place to go look. the only thing the fbi can do is interview the same four people that -- >> dr. ford, sean, hasn't even filed charges in maryland where this took place. >> sean: is that gonna happen this weekend? >> we don't know, do we? now we're asking the fbi to come in. >> sean: is that part of the plan? >> i wonder if that's going to be part of the plan. if the dems are going to push. the american people are not going to be fooled by this political theater. tammy said it best. i was thinking of the exact same term, tammy. collateral damage. the collateral damage is our justice system, our foundation of our country. it's the american people themselves. >> our sons and daughters. >> judge kavanaugh and

want the fbi doing anything. if they won't let the fbi do it, how about anybody else? how about this other path? what about an independent, outside counsel look into it instead, if the republicans and the white house are so scared of the prospect of the fbi doing it? joining us now is senator maise hirono of hawaii. i appreciate your time tonight. >> certainly. good evening. >> thank you for being here. can you give us your sense of state of play where negotiations stand, how you understand your committee is going to proceed? >> there are no negotiations. as chuck grassley and the committee basically going forward and what i consider a seat of the pants kind of approach. so you laid out really clearly, rachel, why the fbi investigation should occur. and the reason they don't want this to occur or anything like this to happen is anything that gets in the way of fasttracking judge kavanaugh's assent to the supreme court are not where the republicans r they need to get him on the court lickety split before the midte

by the fbi? or some interview by the fbi under oath? >> under penalty of felony, he said was kind of event didn't happen and that i never did or would have done something like that. >> is a federal judge, you always want the best evidence, don't you? >> senator, he has said and all the witnesses present. look at ms. keyser statement. >> let me move on to another topic. you have testified to this committee this morning, this afternoon, "this whole two-week effort has been calculated and orchestrated political hit fueled with apparent pent-up anger about president trump and the 2016 election. fear that has been unfairly stoked about my judicial record, revenge on behalf of the clintons, and millions of dollars in money from outside after being opposition groups." is it your testimony that the motivation of the courageous woman who sat where you did just a short time ago was revenge on behalf of a left-wing conspiracy or the clintons? >> senator, i said in my opening statement that she preferred confidentiality. her confidentiality was des

if the fbi does not meet or question her, that's going to call into question who told the fbi not to meet with her. >> michael avenatti calling the fbi to interview his client. arundelmore for bustle.com. alex sietzwall. >> alex, is there a clear understanding of what would be included? >> the key here is that it is very they're more going to speaking -- >> can someone say, i don't want to speak to you? the fbi can leave the front porch and walk away? >> it doesn't look good, politically if mike judge agrees no the to talk. there are some powers that the fbi has obviously if the senate does not. for instance, you can't lie to a federal agent. if the fbi sits down with mike judge and says -- asks him about the events, he's under intense pressure to tell the truth. judge also didn't speak to the senate. his lawyer has said he will speak. if what doctor. ford says is true, there are three people on the planet who know about it. "los angeles times" also reported as early as last night the fbi moved to speak to the lawyer of one of these other accuser. >>> just for quickly clarify, it's m

what does the fbi do? >> the fbi gathers statements from people who have information. they don't resolve credibility, they gather the information and the credibility determination is made by the ultimate fact-finder, which in this case is the united states senate, the committee, of course, hears gathered evidence. >> and the fbi then gives that report to the white house, if i understand it and the white house then transfers it to the senate, is that -- >> that's my understanding, yes. >> and as you indicated, it does not do -- it's been said many times here today, the fbi does not make judgments. it gives the senate committee information. at that point in time, if i understand the process correctly, the senate -- the united states senate judiciary committee has legal authorities, if it receives information in an fbi report that it wants to further investigate, the senate has legal authority to conduct further investigations, is that correct? >> that's my understanding. >> and that is what has been referenced here many times about how some of these witnesses that were i

probably than what we will be able to find out from the fbi. the fbi does a background check. they don't do a criminal investigation. >> harris: right. then you saw that friend of brett kavanaugh mark judge who, you know, first that was a letter then it was stronger than that with language for penalty of perjury, and when you lie to congress, either the senate or the house, it's serious legal business. senator ernst, thank you for being on the program. >> thank you, harris. thank you. >> harris: we are in the middle of breaking news and we want to tell everybody on capitol hill that is the full senate floor. we have chris wallace alongside, too. chris, what we are hearing is that senator chris flake could speak again. this is complicated now. because i truly want to try to understand how you make a deal that you don't control. senator flake makes a deal. he knows the power of his vote. senator majority leader mitch mcconnell does what. >> he counts votes. he sees if he can get to 50 without jeff flake. if he can get to 50 without flake, is going to proceed. he will bring this

one week in order to let the fbi ea for up to but not more than one week in order to let the fbi co for up to but not more than one week in order to let the fbi our up to but not more than one week in order to let the fbi ount fl up to but not more than one week in order to let the fbi unt flo up to but not more than one week in order to let the fbi floor v has bent over backwards to do investigations from this committee and to delay there vote in this committee for a week so that judge or that -- that miss ford, dr. ford could be heard. and she was yesterday. so that's with that agreement, i will vote to the advance the bill to the floor. >> clerk will call roll. >> could we have a description. >> what are we voting on? >> we are voting on the motion to report the nomination to the floor. the clerk will call the roll >> wait, that's not my understanding of what mr. chairman, let the senator explain it. >>> that is my -- my understanding and if the democrats could speak to it if chris or you as we talked about before that the democrats would accept and endorse a one-week fbi investi

the fbi will now look into dr. christine blasey ford's allegations against judge brett kavanaugh after another dramatic day today tonight the republican senator who was stopped in the elevator by victims who told him their voices must be heard. >>> then, just as the senate e judiciary was about to vote, that senator jeff flake and his bold move. pushing for a one-week pause to give the fbi time to investigate the allegations. >>> also tonight, the cameras were right there as president trump learned of this surprise turn. his reaction. this evening after dr. ford and judge kavanaugh, now the third man allegedly in that room, mark judge, and what is he now saying tonight. >>> the other major news tonight. the deadly earthquake triggering a massive tsunami. sweeping away homes. >>> the warning tonight from facebook, potentially massive security breech involving millions. 90 million accounts suddenly logged off. >>> the passenger plane crashing into the see, first responders including the u.s. navy now racing to the re

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been done by the fbi. what then? >> well, i hope he's voted down then. i mean, i think -- as you know, i was not in favor of him to begin with, for a variety of reasons, but i do think that this is a moment that was really a watershed for people who have not been heard. when flake -- when senator flake was in that elevator and maria -- anna maria and maria gallagher said, look at me. are you telling me that my experience doesn't matter? women have felt that way for so long. and these two spoke for so many that the ability to have an investigation -- this is before -- of course, we knew that the investigation was going to happen, i cannot tell you the palpable pain that existed among people who felt like plowing over, plowing through women. we had the most credible witness we could possibly have and it wasn't going to be good enough. >> let's show that sound because you were referring to it and senator flake said it affected him. it was after he said he would vote for kavanaugh but before he pushed for the

you call chris wray, the fbi director. he's not going to say a month, i think two weeks, three weeks. but a week sounds really fast to me. >> phil, kavanaugh's high school friend, mike judge's lawyer says judge will cooperate. all we have seen is a sworn statement about the allegation. is there anything the fbi could learn from him they didn't get from the statement? >> oh, heck, yeah. you learn a lot about what people say and what they don't say. this is why time and multiple interviews is important. if he chooses not to say things about what happens or what happened or what he remembered happened years ago, and people in his circle contradict him, he's in trouble. so it's not just what he says, it's what he doesn't say. be careful. . >> and what about changing stories? is it possible? does it happen in investigations somebody submits a sworn statement and then they later investigate it and contradict it? >> oh, constantly. we lost cia applicants constantly for changing stories. you say you didn't smoke marijuana in colle

or we could ask the fbi. i actually have. i think others have. and i think that the issue is that part of what an fbi report does is to investigate and seek either corroborating or exculpatory evidence. it's not so much the conclusion that it draws as the breadth of the evidence that is sought out through the investigation and the difference between what somebody might say to an fbi agent when they're being examined and, for instance, mr. judge's letter, signed by his lawyer, sent in. it's just a different thing. and i believe still that this is the first background investigation in the history of background investigations that hasn't been reopened when new credible derogatory information was raised about the subject, about the nominee. so, you know, i just didn't want let the point you made stand without referencing what we had tried to do. >> pardon me, but i'll just add to the point you made. the letter was sent to the fbi. the fbi sent it to the white house with a letter saying the case is closed. we're t

fbi. >> you want to reach the truth?a the easy way to do that, ask the fbi to investigate. >> judge kavanaugh, if he truly believes there's no evidence, no witnesses that can prove their case, should be joining us in demanding a thorough fbi investigation. >> what i have struggled with, judge kavanaugh, is the absence of a fair federal law enforcement-driven, nonpartisan process. why don't you just ask the president. dr. ford can't do this. we clearly haven't been able to do this. just ask the president to reopen the fbi investigation. >> are you willing to ask the white house to authorize the fbi to investigate the claims that have been made against you?im >> all the democrats on this committee are requesting an fbi investigation because you did say all we have to do is ask. the implication being if we ask an investigation will happen and it has not happened. >> never in the history of background investigations has an investigation not been pursued when new credible derogatory information was brought forward about the n

what happens if a witness refuses to speak to the fbi given the battering that the fbi's taken under president trump? >> the same thing that happened when brett kavanaugh refused to answer if he was willing to have an fbi investigation. i mean, this is a very powerful part of this. i have no doubt that the crux of what is happened in those investigating rooms will make it to the press eventually. it's going to be very difficult to close the door on this once it starts going. we don't know what those people are going to say. we don't know what other leads they may put out there, what other things, what other paths this many lead to. the investigators, they're not going to present an opinion, they're not making an assessment. this is meant to be a conversation where they literally record back what was asked, what was said, they're not providing assessments to the credibility or through itfulness. but if someone volunteers a piece of information, you can't leave that unanswered, unresearched. >> cynthia, let me ask you about investigators and their desire to interview julia swetnick bec

or we could ask the fbi. i actually have. i think others have, and i think that the issue is that part of what an fbi report does is to investigate and seek either corroborating or exculpatory evidence. it's not so much the conclusion that it draws that is the breadth of evidence that is south out through the investigation and the difference between what somebody might say to an fbi agent when they are being examined and, for instance, mr. judge's letter signed by his lawyer sent in. it's just a different thing, and -- and i believe still that this is the first background investigation in the history of bhrk ground investigations that hasn't been reopened when new credible derogatory information was raised about the subject, about the nominee. so i -- you know, i just -- i just want to let the point you made stand without referencing what we have tried to do. >> pardon me, but i'll just add to the point that you made. the letter was sent to the fbi. the fbi sent it to the white house with the white house sayi

the fbi has free rein. what direction has the white house, whether it's white house counsel don mcgann or someone else, given the fbi? what are the contours of this investigation? >> as you know, it will be limited in scope. it's meant to last for one week, i believe, beginning last friday. it's not meant to be a fishing expedition. the fbi is not tasked with doing that here. as joe biden pointed out 27 years ago during the clarence thomas hearings and has many people have pointed out in the last couple of weeks, jake, the fbi does not draw conclusions. it provides information. judge kavanaugh has gone through six thorough vets within the span of his public service career, including one completed this last july. that is on the desk of every single senator to review. >> generally they look at actions that a person has taken after they turn 18, though, and these allegations were when he was 17. has the fbi been told don't look into julie swetnick's allegations? we don't find them credible? >> the white house

want the fbi to do anything. if they don't let the fbi do it, well, how about other paths? what about having an independent white house counsel to look into it if the republicans of the white house are so scared of the prospect of the fbi doing it. joining me now the senator of hawaii, she supported the idea that the fbi should have investigated the manner, senator hurono. >> thank you, good evening. >> how do you understand your committee to proceed? >> there is no negotiations as chuck grassley and the community going forward and what i can consider in the past of an apoa approa approach. you laid out clearly why the fbi investigation should occur and the reason they don't want this to occur or anything for this to happen is that is anything that get in the way of fast tracking brett kavanaugh's confirmation in the supreme court is fwhot whe fwhot -- not where the republicans are. there are some important cases coming before the supreme court. they need brett kavanaugh's fifth vote and they don't want any 4-4 t

barbara, the fbi investigation, if it is reopened, where does the fbi start, and can they do this in one week? >> they absolutely can do it in one week. there's a finite list of people you would want to talk to. first is mark judge, the person at the scene. he is someone you would talk to. i would want to talk to everyone else at the party that night, the four people who have submitted affidavits on behalf of dr. ford. there's some question whether the other two women who have made accusations about brett kavanaugh would be interviewed and would be within the scope of it. that group at least. it could take longer than a day or two if they give you names of other people you ought to talk to. it seems like that's the list. and so you could assign one agent to each of those people and do it in a day. it's realistic that could be done. i have been on both ends of a background investigation. my own and interviews of others including judges and the fbi agent will often say, i've been given a three-day deadline to complete my work. can i please talk to you today or tomorrow. so it is very c

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if you lie to the fbi, that's a criminal -- that's a felony. understandably the republicans, the supporters of brett kavanaugh, some of the witnesses may wind up saying and could have a dramatic effect. that's why they didn't want the fbi involved to begin with. >> i think saying that whatever they say is necessary. >> lisa murkowski just told sunlen serfaty that she is with flake. she went into mcconnell's office and said yes if she supports flake's -- >> that's significant. >> the simple math. >> the pressure is on mitch mcconnell right now, on the president, to let the fbi go ahead, investigate for up to a week and then have a final vote on the senate floor. it just passed the senate judiciary committee. our special coverage continues right after this. rs everywhere meet o, that's good! frozen pizza one third of our classic crust is made with cauliflower but that's not stopping anyone o, that's good! you might or joints.hing for your heart... but do you take something for your brain. with an ingredient originally discovered in jellyfish, pre

the fbi has solved huge investigations in as little as 24 hours. what they're doing is known as a spin or a special inquiry, which is given numerous parameters to be met and it's narrowly focused as the information was given to us by the committee. they're going to be talking to everyone or attempting to talk to everyone. people have the right to say no or my statement that i gave to my attorney is my statement and i'm going to defer to my attorney. that's within their rights and we respect that. however, if there is any information at all that is negative or bares a bad light on judge kavanaugh that, will be dug into deeply. even though there are five different tiers of back ground investigations, in any background investigation, the fbi will say at the conclusion, is there any other information that you have for us that might be beneficial or detrimental? if so, please give us that information. from that information we will move forward and either corroborate or disprove that information, which is exactly what we saw happen when dr. ford gave her

they should have gone to the fbi. i think republicans would have welcomed that and done all that was in their power to help, but, of course, they held these allegations until the last-minute. somebody among the democrats leaked them to the media and now we got the circus that we saw just yesterday and it's going to continue for a week, if not more, because we know democrats aren't really interested in getting to bottom of what happened here. they're interested in slow walking and blocking this nomination which is heart breaking for judge kavanaugh. liz: we're going to cut to the floor of the senate. we've got senator jeff flake about to speak on the floor of the senate judiciary panel about what is going on in his latest request to get an fbi probe lasting just one week. let's get to the senate floor. watch. forgive me, we're going to get to that in just a second. get to the business headlines first before we get on senator flake. the house passing tax reform 2.0 despite it being unlikely the senate will take action t

trump us to order the fbi investigation, it is part of the fbi investigation, it is part of the executive branch, if we are having an fbi investigation, the executive must order it and that means ultimately it comes down to president trump so that is what that has to do with president trump. how likely is the fbi investigation to go forward? i would think that presuming there are other senators who are backing senator flake such as senator collins or senator murkowski there is not 51 votes or 50 votes to move the nomination through and that means senator conneu through and that means senator connell will go to the president and say please give these people they wa nt say please give these people they want limited to a week and that is how we get the nominee three and that president will reluctantly agree. a week is not long, was at a concessionary timeframe put forward do you think? i think he could not presumably asked for more time and have that in the republican caucus, the republicans are under pressure from their base to vote the nominee out, they believe the nominee has been subject

the fbi made that clear. i talked to an fbi official last week. they said there was no criminal investigation. the department of justice has also tried to clarify. they release ad a statement sayg the letter was put into kavanaugh's background file last week. at this point, it's up to the white house to determine whether or not there should be a subsequent investigation. i want to point you to the department of justice's brief statement that they gave last night. they said that this allegation does not involve any potential crime. then this spokesperson for the doj continued on to say that the fbi does not make any judgement about the credibility or significance of any allegation. the people that i have spoken with said that at this point it's in the white house's hands. they would have to say whether or not they wanted the fbi to continue with more background investigation. we heard from the president today. he said that the fbi is not interested. i'm not sure that that is the case. it really does seem here -- it is the case that the white house

how deep does the fbi go here? do they just conduct interviews and then take these 302s, which is where they memorialize these interviews, and submit everything to the without inthe packet to the white house. in terms of any kind of criminal action, we just won't see that. it's not the fbi's criminal investigation. it could be that the white house could say reinterview brett kavanaugh, go interview mark judge and perhaps interview ford in this situation and we'll see what happens. whether or not the fbi uncovers anything new, i'm not sure how that works. i'm not sure if the fbi will even try to find anything new. >> guys, thank you so much. we are keeping our close eye on this breaking news. republicans huddling right this very moment in the office of the senate majority leader, mitch mcconnell. he's expected to reveal their plan going forward surrounding judge kavanaugh's nomination and this possible investigation for up to a week. we have reporters staked out on capitol hill. back in a moment. with lower expense

the fbi did not investigate this allegation. they just added the letter laying out the allegation to the background file they had prepared for the white house on the occasion of kavanaugh's background check. now bloomberg news reported this afternoon that in order for the fbi to further investigate this allegation as part of kavanaugh's background check, they would need the white house to request that the fbi do that. the white house has not requested that the fbi should do that. and so now tonight senate democrats have made a formal request to the white house counsel don mcgahn, formally requesting that the white house through him should make that request, should ask the fbi to do due diligence on this allegation against brett kavanaugh, and that senate democrats want that done now. they want that done before they hold this open hearing on this allegation next week. this is actually just from tonight. we just got this audio in from msnbc congressional reporters leigh ann caldwell and frank thorpe. >> did you ever get a chance t

"request that the administration instruct the fbi to conduct a supplemental fbi background t investigation with respect to the nomination of judge brett kavanaugh. the supplemental fbi background investigation would be limited to current credible allegations against the nominee and must be completed no later than one week from today." and soon after that, from president trump, an order to conduct such an investigation "limited in scope and completed in less than one week." all this as brett kavanaugh's high school friend, mark judge, the third person allegedly in the room during the sexual assault of christine blasey ford said through his lawyer "i will cooperate with any law enforcement agency that is assigned to confidentially investigate these allegations" the senate just passed a motion to begin debate on kavanaugh. they are now in recess until monday. the next vote on kavanaugh will not occur until after the fbi sends its findings to congress. senator mazie hirono of hawaii is a member of the judiciary committee. she joins me now. what is your read on what happened today? >> what happ

of the fbi. so now we have a request from the white house, and from everything that we're being told certainly the parameters and where exactly the fbi goes in all of this is in some ways being dictated by the white house. so we shouldn't expect a full-fledged criminal investigation here. they're not going the try to probably look into whether or not this sexual assault or other sexual assaults actually occurred. >> hold on one second. i want to go to mitch mcconnell on the senate floor >>> this morning the judiciary committee reported out judge kavanaugh favorably, all 11 republican members of the judiciary committee voted in favor of reporting him out with a favorable recommendation. number two, we will shortly move to proceed to the kavanaugh nomination, and i'm pleased to announce all 51 republican members of the senate support the motion to proceed to the nomination. 100% of the republican conference supports proceeding to the kavanaugh nomination. now, in committee they reviewed the most pa

what did the fbi record when bruce orr sat down with the fbi after the mueller investigation began a and he was still meeting with christopher steele. i want that as soon as possible. lou: and that the president has ordered to be provided in unredacted form that's going to be a fascinating few days to an uncertain point in the future. congressman jim jordan as always, great to have you with us. >> take care. lou: up next, deep state fbi director andrew mccabe taking on president trump in a new book. that's right. another book written by another disgraced fbi official. the latest attacks we take up with former federal prosecutor sydney powell. what's with all of these books and bad guys. we'll find out. stay with us. blp this isn't just any moving day. this is moving day with the best in-home wifi experience and millions of wifi hotspots to help you stay connected. and this is moving day with reliable service appointments in a two-hour window so you're up and running in no time. show me decorating shows. this is staying connected with xfinity to make moving... simple. easy. awesome. s

director james comey, his deputy andrew mccabe as well as former fbi agent peter strzok, former fbi lawyer lisa page. this comes as fox news confirms new details about the russia probe's findings. during her closed door testimony, a transcript reviewed by fox news showed that former fbi lawyer lisa page said the fbi investigation had not yielded hard evidence of russian collusion nine months into the case, but special counsel robert mueller took over. certainly at this point, the case had been ongoing. we didn't have an answer. that's obvious. page told investigators with the house judiciary and oversight committees. republican congressman handled the questioning. >> lisa page's testimony, i can say, is consistent with a lot of other testimony to the point that neither she or neither strzok and the folks at the center of the trump/russia collusion investigation had any evidence of collusion with russians nearly a year into the investigation. reporter: this morning the president seized on the report, tweeting no evidence of collusion before mueller appointment. the case should never

as the white house limited in any way who the fbi may talk to and specifically, has the fbi been given a list of potential people to talk to but does not include julie, the third accuser talked about gang rapes and also college friends who may contradict judge kavanaugh on the issue of heavy drinking >> sarah: the senate is laid out the request and we opened it up and as you have heard the president say, do what unity do, the fbi, this is what they do and we are out of the way and letting them do exactly that. >> chris: to be specific, to the white house counsel give the fbi a list? >> sarah: not that i'm aware of. if the white house counsel has allowed the senate to dictate what these terms look like and what the scope of the investigation is. again, the white house isn't intervening, we are not micromanaging this process. this is a senate process, it has been from the beginning. we are letting the senate continues to dictate what the terms look like. >> chris: 's you know if the senate or the white house saying don't interview julie swetnick? >> sarah: that's a question you would hav

the fbi does this quickly. everybody who's worked for the justice department has seen a rush come through an a judicial confirmation investigation. they can do it expeditiously. it won't delay unnecessarily. and at the same time it will give dr. ford the time that she needs and the time that she deserves, quite honestly, as a non-lawyer who's never testified on the hill before to prepare her testimony, to understand the process and to appear so she along with every other witness and all of the information that the fbi uncovers can be presented to centers. >> and jill, there were two reasons why the bush white house ordered the fbi to investigate anita hill's accusations. one was they actually had some confidence in their nominee, in that their nominee was telling it truth. and the other was they couldn't possibly expect the public to allow this confirmation to go forward or the senate to go forward without an additional fbi investigation. >> i think that's true. but in this day of alternative facts, which are r

the fbi is going to do their seventh check. it's going on now by the president, who tweeted that out. seventh check. the fbi, there's no forensics they can check. i hate to admit i watch "forensic files" a lot. it's amazing 35 years later they find people because of new technology we have that we can catch killers. there's no place to go look. the only thing the fbi can do is interview the same four people that -- >> dr. ford, sean, hasn't even filed charges in maryland where this took place. >> sean: is that gonna happen this weekend? >> we don't know, do we? now we're asking the fbi to come in. >> sean: is that part of the plan? >> i wonder if that's going to be part of the plan. if the dems are going to push. the american people are not going to be fooled by this political theater. tammy said it best. i was thinking of the exact same term, tammy. collateral damage. the collateral damage is our justice system, our foundation of our country. it's the american people themselves. >> our sons and daughters. >> judge kavanaugh and

ford to talk to the fbi 678. however, a short time ago investigators spoke with this woman, deborah ramirez, another woman who accuses judge kavanaugh of sexual misconduct but who didn't give testimony on capitol hill. a source close to the fbi investigation says ramirez today gave agents the names of other witnesses. brett kavanaugh strongly denies the accusations from ramirez and ford. as for whether the fbi will have, quote, free rein, at least two sources close to the investigation are doubting that. cnn was told today that the white house is working closely with senate republicans to steer the fbi investigation and keep its scope as narrow as possible. white house correspondent borar sanchez is here with us now. boris, what makes the sources believe so strongly that the fbi is working under some restriction. >> hey there, anna, those sources are indicating that the way this process is playing out, the white house, which was essentially compelled to launch this investigation by arizona senator jeff flake, is

we don't know what the fbi investigation will show. i still hold very strong that actually the most important thing here is not that republicans get to 51 votes. most important thing here is that we ensure that one of nine supreme court justices don't go on to the highest court in the land with this kind of cloud, with this kind of uncertainty to confirm someone with the suspicion that they could be an attempted rapist. i mean, do republicans have no other choices? are there no other judges or expert experienced legal minds that they have to go into this with this cloud of uncertainty that makes women wonder whether republicans have their best interests at heart? that's my question to the republican party s. this how badly they want this guy? why this guy? you have to have other choices. this is what baffles me to no end. >> scott, is there another choice? >> maria has laid out the entire strategy. no democrats are going to vote for kavanaugh. they want the white house to pull down kavanaugh and restart the process because the strategy

is it entirely up to the fbi? will you be informed in the coming days what the scope is or is that something you'll learn at the end of this week? >> my view is that the fbi is an organization, an investigative agency of consummate skill and integrity. it will follow the facts and the law and the evidence. where it leads them. and whereby think it has to lead them towards those additional allegations because they are part of that pattern. and i think also we all have to consider the demeanor that judge kavanaugh demonstrated at that hearing yesterday, filled with ranker and rage, anmous and arrogance and i think that the kind of temperament is reflective of those allegations as well. >> it's interesting that mark judge, obviously is i assume going to be interviewed. the reporting was obviously just that. you were questioning judge kavanaugh about that yesterday. and basically indicating what kavanaugh was saying under oath about what mark judge had submitted, judge kavanaugh kept saying he, under penalty of perjur

>> alex, it depends now on the fbi investigation. there are many reasons besides president ford's comments that many of us have a lot of problems with judge kavanaugh. i think in regards to the individuals you mentioned, the investigation will be critically important, and we'll see what the facts are. if we see conflicts, and the fbi can resolve some of those conflicts, it will be powerful, i think, in the decision making of these senators. >> you mentioned the nature of the supreme court. how concerned are you, senator, that if brett kavanaugh is confirmed and he gets a seat on the supreme court that he will be able to be impartial in whatever rulings he participates in, given the fact that he was perceived to be quite partisan when he was calling out the clintons and calling about this being a very left wing democratic attack on him? >> i think judge kavanaugh, his responses were outrageous. i think he showed a lack of respect for the supreme court of being nonpartisan. the way he treats the committee, i think, is wrong. he's allow

and if that fbi investigation or the fbi for some reason hadn't been willing, and it's my understanding that the president had so ordered, they certainly would have, then, you know, people investigate cold cases all the time with their own resources. brett should have insisted upon the same sort of investigative rigor that professor ford did because she appeared to be the one telling a truthier story by being the one that wanted the fbi to investigate. that would be one sort of fork in the road where i think the kavanaugh side took the wrong path. the second would be not permitting this very human reaction of finding both individuals credible. and you offer a plausible way that we could have found that to be the case. he talked so much about beer, i think cheers was the last time i heard anyone talk about beer that much. and i don't know if that was strategic. i don't know if that was subliminal or a nervous reflex to try to put some levity in there. i worked with brett kavanaugh for six years and never saw him drink a beer or talk about a beer. in that 50 minutes he said the word beer

no fbi investigation. and the three votes, those republicans, flake, murkowski and collins, they're absolutely going to vote for kavanaugh, 100%. >> so avery, during the clarence thomas and anita hill, the three-day fbi investigation, this one, a week, is it your opinion that it just won't be able to produce enough information, perhaps some corroborati corroboration, but not enough information, that would constitute a thorough investigation? >> no, i think they can do it. look, you had 21 witnesses in anita hill and clarence thomas. you got a week. actually, i believe it's going to be sufficient. i think important information, new information, will generatjg. i think what's very important to focus on, and credibility is critical. that's what most people are talking about. as one that's appeared before federal judges appointed by ten u.s. presidents, i must tell you, the focus now, i think, should be on judicial temperament. and what we saw in that testimony reflects a real problem with temperament. frankly

the idea that the fbi has a role here. hillary clinton said that there should be a two-week pause in the proceedings. so facts can be gathered, witnesses can be interviewed. the process should be slowed down. your reaction. >> i think hillary would like a recount if she could have one. the reality, former presidential candidates don't get to decide what the fbi does. the reality is, the fbi conducts national security investigations for these types of instances. that investigation has been completed. there was nothing derogatory found and that's why it's moved forward to go back and do an investigation now would not serve any important for what the fbi does. >> laura: well, this has come up in the last 24 hours. i think they got ahead of themselves because this woman comes out, makes this allegation, says she doesn't remember many details except what the judge allegedly did as a high school student. but doesn't remember where it was, when it was. somehow she wanted to testify 24 hours ago. 24 hours later, no, now it's hot p

what did the fbi record when bruce orr sat down with the fbi after the mueller investigation began a and he was still meeting with christopher steele. i want that as soon as possible. lou: and that the president has ordered to be provided in unredacted form that's going to be a fascinating few days to an uncertain point in the future. congressman jim jordan as always, great to have you with us. >> take care. lou: up next, deep state fbi director andrew mccabe taking on president trump in a new book. that's right. another book written by another disgraced fbi official. the latest attacks we take up with former federal prosecutor sydney powell. what's with all of these books and bad guys. we'll find out. stay with us. stay with us. blp what do you mean it's not working out, craig? stay with us. blp i just introduced you to my parents. psst! craig and sheila broke up. what, really? craig and shelia broke up!? no, craig!? what happened? i don't know. is she okay? ♪ craig and sheila broke up! craig and sheila!? ♪ as long as office gossip travels fast, you can count on geico saving fol

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or we could ask the fbi. i actually have. i think others have, and i think that the issue is that part of what an fbi report does is to investigate and seek either crop rating or exculpatory evidence, not so much the conclusion it draws of the breadth of the evidence sought out during the investigation and the difference between what somebody might say to an fbi agent when they are being examined and for instance, mr. judge's letter signed by his lawyer sent in. it's just a different thing, and i believe, still, that this is the first background investigation in the history of background investigations that hasn't been reopened when new, credible, derogatory information was raised about the subject, about the nominee. so i didn't want to let the point you made stand without referencing what we had tried to do. >> pardon me. but i'll add to the point you made. theler was sent to the fbi. the fbi sent it to the white house with the letter saying the case is closed. we're taking a break now. we're taking a break

slow down and have called for an fbi investigation. but republicans say the fbi should stay out of it and isn't budges on its plan for a monday hearing. orrin hatch tweeted this -- the fbi does not do investigations like this. the responsibility falls to us. senate judiciary committee chairman chuck grassley isn't interested in an investigation, either. >> i'm not worried on anything but focusing physician the next few days to encourage her to come. >> yet, when then-chairman joe biden called for an fbi into anita hill's sexual harassment allegations against clarence thomas in 1991, the two senators had a different view. >> xhachairman button and the ranking member, thurmond, when they heard about this the first time, they immediately ordered this fbi investigation, which was the very right thing to do. the appropriate thing to do. >> now, when the chairman of the judiciary committee and when the ranking member of the judiciary committee learned of these allegations, the fbi was immediately ordered to conduct an investigation. that inv

senate dems are demanding a new fbi investigation. mike emanuel has our report from washington. >> why isn't judge kavanaugh asking for an fbi investigation if he has nothing to hide? pressure is building with republicans urging professor christine blahcy ford to speak to the judiciary committee regarding judge kavanaugh's nomination on monday. >> i think it's not fair to judge kavanaugh for her not to come forward and testify. both of them need to testify under oath next monday before the judiciary committee. >> foard's attorney e-mailed committee leaders writing quote she wishes to testify provided we can agree on terms that are fair and ensure her safety. a hearing on monday is not possible and the committee's insis tan tans it occur then is arbitrary. >> i consider that to be bullying. i consider that to be disregarding. i consider that to be something set up for failure. they would like a he he said/she said scenario. >> 56 people were arrested today protesting outside chairman grazly's office and elsewhere. there are signs of fo

there will be no conclusion or decision by the fbi. what they're going to do is talk to people at the party, "new york times" is reporting they're expanding that scope to some of the other accusers who alleged assault by judge kavanaugh in high school and college and try to understand what they remember, piece together their narrative of the events of the time, and submit these interviews to the white house which will ultimately go to the senate, and it will be up to lawmakers to decide if they believe there is corroboration to christine blasey ford's allegations or if they feel there's not enough there and that it doesn't harm judge kavanaugh's reputation. this is the process. the fbi will go talk to the individuals, they have one week to do it. then it will go to the white house and the senate to decide what they think they've learned out of this one week investigation about judge kavanaugh's character and the allegations leveled by several women. and of course judge kavanaugh denies all of the allegations vehemently. christi, victor

>> well, chris, as you know the fbi does not take direction from me, they take direction from the fbi director and from the white house. it's an executive branch agency. so i can talk about what i hope they will do, what i think would be reasonable for them to do but i'm not able to direct them in any way. if they take up a supplemental background investigation -- they would question some of the folks who have already come forward in the public and made statements about judge kavanaugh. for example you were talking at the opening of the show about the credibility of his categorical denial that he's ever had a night he can't remember from drinking. a kaunl class mate, roommate, acquaintances to say that's not true. we were with him, we've got evidence and there's obviously ea list of folk whose are class mates or friends who have come forward to say we support his characterization. so i think there's a fairly ready list of peep el -- >> what about ramirez and -- >> i think the statement made here was all credible allegations. so there's a number of alligations made public where there a